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	<title>Comments on: Pragmaticalist? Pragmateur?</title>
	<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur</link>
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		<title>By: JohnAndres</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-15283</link>
		<author>JohnAndres</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pragmaticist was my obvious choice. However, syntactician has been cited. AND, I'll add:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;phonetician&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmaticist was my obvious choice. However, syntactician has been cited. AND, I&#8217;ll add:</p>
<p>phonetician</p>
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		<title>By: fuyanger</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-248</link>
		<author>fuyanger</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like the word pragmatician most since we already have syntactician, logician, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the word pragmatician most since we already have syntactician, logician, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: grouchy</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-247</link>
		<author>grouchy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;C. S. Peirce adopted the term “Pragmaticist” to distinguish between his understanding of pragmatism, and “Pragmatism” as popularized by William James (who credited Peirce for originally coining the term). Here’s a link to a C. S. Peirce linkfarm:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://members.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/bycsp/bycsp.htm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of Peirce’s pet peeves was the recycling of terminology, especially common terms that didn’t carry the same implication or strict meaning across multiple translations between languages and eras. His philosophic and scientific definitions written for the Century Dictionary are very interesting partly for this reason (also, he’s somewhat smarmy). One consequence is that he often made up words in order to clarify and distinguish the particular definitions within his own systems, which is clever as it discourages jumping between different parts of his more complicated work, as well as the philosophic habit of using fuzzy analogies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a result, “Pragmaticist” carries a different association than “Pragmatism” or “Pragmatist”, as the latter have been blurred and watered down, while the former is ugly and unwieldy enough to discourage abuse (which was Peirce’s stated reason for opting to use it).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C. S. Peirce adopted the term “Pragmaticist” to distinguish between his understanding of pragmatism, and “Pragmatism” as popularized by William James (who credited Peirce for originally coining the term). Here’s a link to a C. S. Peirce linkfarm:</p>
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<p>One of Peirce’s pet peeves was the recycling of terminology, especially common terms that didn’t carry the same implication or strict meaning across multiple translations between languages and eras. His philosophic and scientific definitions written for the Century Dictionary are very interesting partly for this reason (also, he’s somewhat smarmy). One consequence is that he often made up words in order to clarify and distinguish the particular definitions within his own systems, which is clever as it discourages jumping between different parts of his more complicated work, as well as the philosophic habit of using fuzzy analogies.</p>
<p>As a result, “Pragmaticist” carries a different association than “Pragmatism” or “Pragmatist”, as the latter have been blurred and watered down, while the former is ugly and unwieldy enough to discourage abuse (which was Peirce’s stated reason for opting to use it).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-246</link>
		<author>Peter</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-246</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;What of "Pragmatista" ?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What of &#8220;Pragmatista&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Nathan</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-245</link>
		<author>Lance Nathan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;"Pragmaticist" is the word that leaps to mind for me, though irritatingly Merriam-Webster defines it as "an advocate of pragmaticism", another word for the philosophical school founded by C.S. Peirce that Tony mentions above.  All the same, it's in direct analogy to "semantics/semanticist"; the main competitor is, I think "pragmatician" in analogy to "syntactician, logician".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"Pragmaticalist" strikes me as quite strange, as well (we don't say "syntacticalist" or "logicalist").  I think there may in fact be a word formation rule being violated: "-ist" can attach to "-al" adjectives, but given an "-ic"/"-ical" variation, we attach "-ist" to the former.  (Variation as in geographic(al), comic(al), monastic(al), where the sense doesn't change.  I suppose that in those cases where it does, e.g. "politic" = judicious, "political" = concerning law, one could arguably add "-ist" to either: a politicist is one who follows a doctrine of being politic, and a politicalist is one who follows a doctrine of being political.  But "pragmatic(al)" isn't one of those cases.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pragmaticist&#8221; is the word that leaps to mind for me, though irritatingly Merriam-Webster defines it as &#8220;an advocate of pragmaticism&#8221;, another word for the philosophical school founded by C.S. Peirce that Tony mentions above.  All the same, it&#8217;s in direct analogy to &#8220;semantics/semanticist&#8221;; the main competitor is, I think &#8220;pragmatician&#8221; in analogy to &#8220;syntactician, logician&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Pragmaticalist&#8221; strikes me as quite strange, as well (we don&#8217;t say &#8220;syntacticalist&#8221; or &#8220;logicalist&#8221;).  I think there may in fact be a word formation rule being violated: &#8220;-ist&#8221; can attach to &#8220;-al&#8221; adjectives, but given an &#8220;-ic&#8221;/&#8221;-ical&#8221; variation, we attach &#8220;-ist&#8221; to the former.  (Variation as in geographic(al), comic(al), monastic(al), where the sense doesn&#8217;t change.  I suppose that in those cases where it does, e.g. &#8220;politic&#8221; = judicious, &#8220;political&#8221; = concerning law, one could arguably add &#8220;-ist&#8221; to either: a politicist is one who follows a doctrine of being politic, and a politicalist is one who follows a doctrine of being political.  But &#8220;pragmatic(al)&#8221; isn&#8217;t one of those cases.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Marmo</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-244</link>
		<author>Tony Marmo</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-244</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Pragmatist&lt;/i&gt; is the follower of the Philosophical thought called &lt;b&gt;pragmatism&lt;/b&gt;, and not necessarily the expert in Pragmatics. I have heard most linguists, whose first language is English, say &lt;i&gt;pragmatician&lt;/i&gt; more often than &lt;i&gt;pragmaticist&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pragmatist</i> is the follower of the Philosophical thought called <b>pragmatism</b>, and not necessarily the expert in Pragmatics. I have heard most linguists, whose first language is English, say <i>pragmatician</i> more often than <i>pragmaticist</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: emar</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-243</link>
		<author>emar</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;"pragmaticalist" immediately reminded me of Ali G.'s "racialist", and thus of Ali-G-speak in general---which may be a pro if you're going for funny connotations.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pragmaticalist&#8221; immediately reminded me of Ali G.&#8217;s &#8220;racialist&#8221;, and thus of Ali-G-speak in general&#8212;which may be a pro if you&#8217;re going for funny connotations.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Portner</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-242</link>
		<author>Paul Portner</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-242</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;“pragmaticist”.  After years of worrying that it wasn't the right term, but saying it anyway, I got used enough to it that it's now a normal part of my vocabulary.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“pragmaticist”.  After years of worrying that it wasn&#8217;t the right term, but saying it anyway, I got used enough to it that it&#8217;s now a normal part of my vocabulary.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Partee</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-241</link>
		<author>Barbara Partee</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-241</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also favor "pragmaticist". It sounds normal; "pragmaticalist" sounds to me like it must violate some word-formation rule, like maybe we never add "ist" to adjectives? No, that can't be: "nudist". Never to adjectives that end in "al"? No, not that either: "minimalist". I give up. Anyway, it's sort of cute but I don't think I could ever say it. (Sorry, Chris!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also favor &#8220;pragmaticist&#8221;. It sounds normal; &#8220;pragmaticalist&#8221; sounds to me like it must violate some word-formation rule, like maybe we never add &#8220;ist&#8221; to adjectives? No, that can&#8217;t be: &#8220;nudist&#8221;. Never to adjectives that end in &#8220;al&#8221;? No, not that either: &#8220;minimalist&#8221;. I give up. Anyway, it&#8217;s sort of cute but I don&#8217;t think I could ever say it. (Sorry, Chris!)</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Alonso-Ovalle</title>
		<link>http://semantics-online.org/2005/10/pragmaticalist-pragmateur#comment-240</link>
		<author>Luis Alonso-Ovalle</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;"Pragmaticist". I like "pragmaticist".&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pragmaticist&#8221;. I like &#8220;pragmaticist&#8221;.</p>
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